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                  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;	&lt;address&gt;Äèìà999 ïèñàë(à):&lt;/address&gt;	&lt;span class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;íó äà... äàæå òóò ïðè îïðîñå áîëüøèíñòâî ïîäìûâàë çà ìåäâåäà áûëè... &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;À åùå ÷óòêà ðàíüøå çà Åäðîñîô.... &lt;img src=&quot;https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_confused.gif&quot; alt=&quot;Confused&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; /&gt; Ìóëè óäèâëÿòüñÿ...</description>
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                  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;	&lt;address&gt;Griffon ïèñàë(à):&lt;/address&gt;	&lt;span class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;Çàòî âûáîðû ïðîâåëè ïîêàçàòåëüíûå....&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;postbody&quot;&gt;íó äà... äàæå òóò ïðè îïðîñå áîëüøèíñòâî ïîäìûâàë çà ìåäâåäà áûëè...&lt;br /&gt;
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                  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;	&lt;address&gt;Äèìà999 ïèñàë(à):&lt;/address&gt;	&lt;span class=&quot;quote&quot;&gt;ïîääåðæèâàåì îòå÷åñòâåííîãî ïðîèçâîäèòåëÿ...&lt;br /&gt;
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                  Â Ðîññèè âïåðâûå êîíôèñêîâàí àâòîìîáèëü, ââåçåííûé â ñòðàíó íåîôèöèàëüíûì äèëåðîì áåç ðàçðåøåíèÿ âëàäåëüöà òîðãîâîé ìàðêè íà íåãî. Èçúÿòûé ñóäîì áèòûé Porsche Cayenne 2004 ã. âûïóñêà áûë êóïëåí ëåãàëüíî â ÑØÀ, íî òàìîæíÿ çàäåðæàëà åãî ïî òðåáîâàíèþ îôèöèàëüíîãî èìïîðòåðà. Çàêîí íà åãî ñòîðîíå, ïîñêîëüêó òàêèå îáÿçàòåëüñòâà âçÿëà íà ñåáÿ Ðîññèÿ â ïðîöåññå ïîäãîòîâêè ê âñòóïëåíèþ â ÂÒÎ. &lt;br /&gt;
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Äåëî î áèòîì Porsche Cayenne áåðåò íà÷àëî â 2007 ã. Êîìïàíèÿ &quot;Ãåíåçèñ&quot;, âîññòàíàâëèâàþùàÿ áèòûå ìàøèíû, ïðèîáðåëà åãî â ÑØÀ íà àóêöèîíå çà $14 000. Â êîíöå íîÿáðÿ íà Öåíòðàëüíîé àêöèçíîé òàìîæíå (ÖÀÒ) àâòîìîáèëü áûë çàäåðæàí ïî òðåáîâàíèþ êîìïàíèè &quot;Ïîðøå Ðóññëàíä&quot;, åäèíñòâåííîãî îôèöèàëüíîãî ïîñòàâùèêà Porsche â Ðîññèþ. &lt;br /&gt;
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Äèëåð çàÿâèë, ÷òî &quot;Ãåíåçèñ&quot; íåçàêîííî èñïîëüçóåò òîâàðíûå çíàêè Porsche è Cayenne. Àðáèòðàæíûé ñóä Ìîñêâû ïîñòàíîâèë êîíôèñêîâàòü àâòîìîáèëü è îáÿçàë &quot;Ãåíåçèñ&quot; çàïëàòèòü øòðàô 30 000 ðóá. Äèðåêòîð Âàäèì Îðëîâ ñîãëàñèëñÿ îòäàòü Porsche. Â ñåðåäèíå èþëÿ ðåøåíèå ñóäà âñòóïèëî â ñèëó. &lt;br /&gt;
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Ââîç àâòîìîáèëÿ â Ðîññèþ þðëèöîì áåç ðàçðåøåíèÿ âëàäåëüöà áðåíäà ïî Êîäåêñó îá àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûõ ïðàâîíàðóøåíèÿõ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ íàðóøåíèåì ïðàâà íà òîâàðíûé çíàê. Ïîäîáíàÿ íîðìà íàìíîãî æåñò÷å ìåæäóíàðîäíîé, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé âëàäåëåö áðåíäà òåðÿåò ïðàâî âëèÿòü íà êîíêðåòíûé ýêçåìïëÿð òîâàðà ñ åãî ìàðêîé ñ ìîìåíòà åãî ïðîäàæè â ëþáîé òî÷êå ìèðà. &lt;br /&gt;
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Îäíàêî Ðîññèÿ ïðèíÿëà íà ñåáÿ áîëåå æåñòêèå îáÿçàòåëüñòâà â ïðîöåññå ïîäãîòîâêè ê âñòóïëåíèþ â ÂÒÎ, õîòÿ äåëàòü ýòîãî áûëà ñîâåðøåííî íå îáÿçàíà. Ïî èòîãàì 2007 ã. òàìîæåííèêè çàâåëè îêîëî 1500 àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûõ äåë î íàðóøåíèè èíòåëëåêòóàëüíûõ ïðàâ. Ó ïðåäïðèíèìàòåëåé, ââîçèâøèõ òîâàðû â îáõîä îôèöèàëüíûõ äèëåðîâ, áûëî êîíôèñêîâàíî áîëüøîå êîëè÷åñòâî ïàðôþìåðèè, ïðîäóêòîâ ïèòàíèÿ è ñïîðòèâíîé îäåæäû. Çà óñïåõè â áîðüáå ñ êîíòðàôàêòîì ðîññèéñêàÿ òàìîæíÿ â èþíå äàæå ïîëó÷èëà îò ÂÒÎ áîëüøîå ñåðåáðÿíîå áëþäî. &lt;br /&gt;
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Porsche - åäèíñòâåííàÿ êîìïàíèÿ, ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî çàùèùàþùàÿ òîâàðíûå çíàêè íà ãðàíèöå, ãîâîðÿò òàìîæåííèêè. Âàäèì Îðëîâ ñòàë ïåðâûì âëàäåëüöåì, ïîòåðÿâøèì ñâîé àâòîìîáèëü íà òàìîæíå çà íàðóøåíèå èíòåëëåêòóàëüíûõ ïðàâ. Â &quot;Ïîðøå Ðóññëàíä&quot; ãîâîðÿò, ÷òî ðàíüøå èìïîðòåðû, íå èìåþùèå ëèöåíçèè íà èñïîëüçîâàíèå çíàêîâ Porsche, óñïåâàëè èçáàâèòüñÿ îò ìàøèí. &lt;br /&gt;
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Ïðè÷èíà ñåðîãî èìïîðòà àâòîìîáèëÿ - ðàçíèöà â öåíå. Â ÑØÀ íîâûé Porsche ñòîèò îêîëî $80 000, â Ðîññèè ó îôèöèàëüíîãî äèëåðà - 80 000 åâðî. È äàæå ñ ó÷åòîì äîñòàâêè èç-çà îêåàíà &quot;ñåðûé&quot; Porsche áóäåò ñòîèòü â Ðîññèè ìåíüøå, ÷åì â &quot;Ïîðøå Ðóññëàíä&quot;. &quot;Íåëåãàëüíûå&quot; Porsche ó ðîññèÿí ïîëüçóþòñÿ ñïðîñîì. Åñëè â ñðåäíåì ïî ðûíêó íà îäíó ïîäåðæàííóþ ìàøèíó ïðîäàåòñÿ áîëåå 4-õ íîâûõ, òî íà îäèí ëåãàëüíûé Porsche ïðèõîäèòñÿ îäèí &quot;ñåðûé&quot;, âîçðàñòîì äî 3-õ ëåò. &lt;br /&gt;
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GM è Toyota Motor íå ñîáèðàþòñÿ èäòè âîéíîé íà &quot;ñåðûõ&quot; äèëåðîâ, ÷òî è ïîíÿòíî: îíè èì íå êîíêóðåíòû. Â Toyota Motor Rus ñîîáùèëè &quot;Âåäîìîñòÿì&quot;, ÷òî îòñëåæèâàíèå âñåõ èçäåëèé ñ òîâàðíûì çíàêîì Toyota è Lexus íà òàìîæíå ïîòðåáîâàëî áû îãðîìíûõ ðåñóðñîâ - îäíèõ òîëüêî Lexus RX â Ðîññèè çà ïðîøëûé ãîä ïðîäàíî áîëåå 6500. Â BMW áîðþòñÿ ñ ïðîáëåìîé íå ÷åðåç ñóä: â Ðîññèè íåâîçìîæíî îôèöèàëüíî êóïèòü çàï÷àñòè äëÿ àâòîìîáèëåé, íå ñåðòèôèöèðîâàííûõ ê èñïîëüçîâàíèþ â Åâðîïå. &lt;br /&gt;
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Åñëè ïðàêòèêà êîíôèñêàöèè àâòîìîáèëåé ïî çàïðîñó ïðàâîîáëàäàòåëÿ áðåíäà ñòàíåò ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîé, òî ýòî ìîæåò êîñíóòüñÿ ñîòåí òûñÿ÷ ðîññèÿí. Ïî äàííûì PricewaterhouseCoopers, òîëüêî çà ïåðâîå ïîëóãîäèå 2008 ã. â Ðîññèþ áûëî ââåçåíî 190 000 ïîäåðæàííûõ èíîìàðîê íà îáùóþ ñóììó $3,3 ìëðä. Óãðîçå êîíôèñêàöèè ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ è àâòîìîáèëè ÷àñòíûõ ëèö. Äåëî â òîì, ÷òî â 4-é ÷àñòè Ãðàæäàíñêîãî êîäåêñà, âñòóïèâøåé â ñèëó ñ 1 ÿíâàðÿ, ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå íîðìû ïðîïèñàíû íåÿñíî, ãîâîðÿò þðèñòû. Äðóãèå, âïðî÷åì, óñïîêàèâàþò: ÷òîáû êîíôèñêîâàòü ìàøèíó ó ôèçëèöà, òàìîæíÿ è ïðàâîîáëàäàòåëè äîëæíû äîêàçàòü, ÷òî îíà ââîçèòñÿ äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïðèáûëè, à ýòî íåâîçìîæíî.</description>
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