http://club-lexus.ru/forum/index.php Êëóá Lexus russian (c) Copyright 2026 by ÊËÓÁ ËÅÊÑÓÑ ÐÎÑÑÈß admin@club-lexus.ru admin@club-lexus.ru Âñ Àïð 12, 2026 17:50 Âñ Àïð 12, 2026 17:50 http://backend.userland.com/rss phpBB2 RSS Syndication Mod by Lucas 1 rss.gif http://club-lexus.ru/forum/ Êëóá Lexus http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1231916#1231916 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=9003'>Àíäðåé 19..</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñá Äåê 19, 2009 13:16<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Ïàïà, ïàïà, ÿ òîëüêî ÷òî óâèäåë ïî òåëåâèçîðó, ÷òî âîäêà ñèëüíî ïîäîðîæàåò!!! Ýòî çíà÷èò òû áóäåøü ìåíüøå ïèòü?<br /> Íåò ïðèäóðîê, ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷òî òû áóäåøü ìåíüøå æðàòü... <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1231916#1231916 Àíäðåé 19.. Ñá Äåê 19, 2009 13:16 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1231916#1231916 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227539#1227539 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19602'>Aleks Zloi</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:16<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Âàëåêà ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Aleks Zloi ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"><br /> Õðåíîâî çàêîí÷èëà òà êîðîëåâà <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Òàê ó íåå ïîõìåëüå íå ïðîõîäèëî, âîò è àìïóòèðîâàëè ãîëîâíóþ áîëü. <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_cry.gif" alt="Crying or Very sad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Íó èñòîðèÿ îá ýòîì óìàë÷èâàåò <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227539#1227539 Aleks Zloi Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:16 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227539#1227539 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227534#1227534 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19080'>Âàëåêà</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:11<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Aleks Zloi ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"><br /> Õðåíîâî çàêîí÷èëà òà êîðîëåâà <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Òàê ó íåå ïîõìåëüå íå ïðîõîäèëî, âîò è àìïóòèðîâàëè ãîëîâíóþ áîëü. <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_cry.gif" alt="Crying or Very sad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227534#1227534 Âàëåêà Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:11 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227534#1227534 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227530#1227530 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19602'>Aleks Zloi</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:09<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Âàëåêà ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">Âû ÷å ! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" border="0" /> <br /> Âñå æå îòëè÷íî, âîäêà äîðîæàåò, ñêîðî ïåðåéäåì íà âèñêè ! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">×òî òî âñïîìíèëàñü îäíà êîðîëåâà. Êîãäà Åé ñêàçàëè,÷òî íàðîä áóíòóåò ïîòîìó ÷òî íåò õëåáà,îíà ïðåäëîæèëà íàðîäó âìåñòî õëåáà åñòü ïèðîæíûå <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Õðåíîâî çàêîí÷èëà òà êîðîëåâà <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_sad.gif" alt="Sad" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227530#1227530 Aleks Zloi Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:09 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227530#1227530 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227524#1227524 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19080'>Âàëåêà</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:05<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Âû ÷å ! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" border="0" /> <br /> Âñå æå îòëè÷íî, âîäêà äîðîæàåò, ñêîðî ïåðåéäåì íà âèñêè ! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_lol.gif" alt="Laughing" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227524#1227524 Âàëåêà Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:05 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227524#1227524 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227517#1227517 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1757'>Kilimanjaro</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:03<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ó òåáÿ ñëîâåñíûé ïîíîñ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">òû ïüÿí? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/cs.gif" alt="Amd gmm" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">À òû íå ìíîãî íà ñåáÿ áåðåøü?</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">ïîñïàòü òåáå íàäî <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Øåë áû òû â ñâîþ îòìîðîæåííóþ òåìêó! Ëè÷íî ó ìåíÿ íåò íèêàêîãî æåëàíèÿ ÷èòàòü çäåñü òâîå õàìñòâî è äåìàãîãèþ!!! http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227517#1227517 Kilimanjaro Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:03 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227517#1227517 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227516#1227516 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19602'>Aleks Zloi</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:01<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Äèìà999 ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>RAR100 ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">C 1/12/2010</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>RAR100 ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">Ñ 1 ßÍÂÀÐß 2010 </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">ÿíâàðü ýòî ïåðâûé ìåñÿö...<br /> âî íàðîäó-òî ïîìð¸ò è îñëåïíåò â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó... <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Íó äà. Ïîâûøåíèå öåí íà âîäêó è ïèâî íà ôîíå óâîëüíåíèé,ñîêðàùåíèé,çàäåðæåê çàðïëàò è ïîâûøåíèÿ òàðèôîâ- î÷åíü ìóäðî è äàëüíîâèäíî.Áðàâî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227516#1227516 Aleks Zloi Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 18:01 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227516#1227516 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227502#1227502 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116'>Äèìà999</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:52<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>RAR100 ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">C 1/12/2010</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>RAR100 ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">Ñ 1 ßÍÂÀÐß 2010 </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">ÿíâàðü ýòî ïåðâûé ìåñÿö...<br /> âî íàðîäó-òî ïîìð¸ò è îñëåïíåò â ñëåäóþùåì ãîäó... <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227502#1227502 Äèìà999 Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:52 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227502#1227502 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227499#1227499 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=23138'>herzabey</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:51<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ó òåáÿ ñëîâåñíûé ïîíîñ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">òû ïüÿí? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/cs.gif" alt="Amd gmm" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">À òû íå ìíîãî íà ñåáÿ áåðåøü?</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">ïîñïàòü òåáå íàäî <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227499#1227499 herzabey Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:51 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227499#1227499 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227496#1227496 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1757'>Kilimanjaro</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:48<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ó òåáÿ ñëîâåñíûé ïîíîñ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">òû ïüÿí? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/cs.gif" alt="Amd gmm" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">À òû íå ìíîãî íà ñåáÿ áåðåøü? http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227496#1227496 Kilimanjaro Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:48 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227496#1227496 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227492#1227492 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19602'>Aleks Zloi</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:47<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"><br /> çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">íó äà,òàê ñêàçàòü,óñêîðèì ïðîöåññ åñòåñòâåííîé óáûëè íàñåëåíèÿ.<br /> Òàê ÷òî ëè? îñâîáîäèì æèçíåííîå ïðîñòðàíñòâî äëÿ èçáðàííûõ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227492#1227492 Aleks Zloi Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:47 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227492#1227492 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227483#1227483 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=23138'>herzabey</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:44<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ó òåáÿ ñëîâåñíûé ïîíîñ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">òû ïüÿí? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/cs.gif" alt="Amd gmm" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227483#1227483 herzabey Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:44 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227483#1227483 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227480#1227480 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1757'>Kilimanjaro</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:41<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ó òåáÿ ñëîâåñíûé ïîíîñ? <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_evil.gif" alt="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227480#1227480 Kilimanjaro Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:41 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227480#1227480 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227459#1227459 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19080'>Âàëåêà</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:27<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"><br /> <br /> Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ýòî äàðâèíèçì. Íå ïóòàòü ïîíÿòèÿ ! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227459#1227459 Âàëåêà Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:27 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227459#1227459 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227453#1227453 <br /> Àâòîð: <a href='http://club-lexus.ru/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=23138'>herzabey</a><br /><br /> Äîáàâëåíî: Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:25<br /><br /> <br /><br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>herzabey ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>MIKLES ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">ýòè ìåðû ðàññ÷èòàíû íà ïîëó÷åíèå äîï. ïðèáûëè ãîñóäàðñòâîì </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">â íàøåé ñòðàíå âñå ìåðû íà ýòî ðàññ÷èòàíû <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/ag.gif" alt="Amd Green" border="0" /> <br /> </span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Kilimanjaro ïèñàë(à):</address> <span class="quote">MIKLES ïèñàë(à):<br /> Íó è ïðàâèëüíî ÷òî ïîäíÿëè , èòàê Ðîññèÿ ñïèâàåòñÿ è òðàâèòñÿ ïàëåíîé âîäêîé.<br /> <br /> Òåïåðü áóäåò íèòõèíîëîì òðàâèöà! </span></blockquote><span class="postbody">çàòî áûñòðåå åñòåñòâåííûé îòáîð ïîéäåò, õîòü ïî÷èñòèì ãåíîôîíä îò àëêàêîëèêîâ <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Ïðî î÷èñòêó ãåíîôîíäà îò àëêîãîëèêîâ, ÷òî-òî âåòåðêîì íàöèçìà ïîâåÿëî...</span></blockquote><span class="postbody">åñëè àãèòàöèÿ çà çäîðîâüå íàöèè ýòî íàöèçì, òîãäà ìîæåøü ìåíÿ íàöèñòîì ñ÷èòàòü <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/bk.gif" alt="Amd pardon" border="0" /></span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span><blockquote class="quote"> <address>Öèòàòà:</address> <span class="quote">Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä</span></blockquote><span class="postbody"></span></blockquote><span class="postbody">Äàâàé ïîäóìàåì îá ýòîì <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> Áëàãèìè íàìåðåíèÿìè âûìîùåíà äîðîãà â àä — êðûëàòîå âûðàæåíèå ðóññêîãî ÿçûêà.<br /> Íàèáîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðâîíà÷àëüíûì àâòîðîì èçðå÷åíèÿ ñ÷èòàåòñÿ àíãëèéñêèé áîãîñëîâ XVII ñòîëåòèÿ Äæîðäæ Ãåðáåðò, â êíèãå êîòîðîãî «Jacula prudentium» ïðèñóòñòâóåò ôðàçà «Hell is full of good meaning and wishings» — «Àä ïîëîí äîáðûìè íàìåðåíèÿìè è æåëàíèÿìè». Äàííûì èçðå÷åíèåì Ãåðáåðò ïðîèëëþñòðèðîâàë îäíó èç îñíîâíûõ èäåé ïðîòåñòàíòñêîé ýòèêè, ñîãëàñíî êîòîðîé î äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè âåðû ìîæíî ñóäèòü òîëüêî íà îñíîâàíèè äîáðûõ äåë. Äàííîå èçðå÷åíèå ïåðåêëèêàåòñÿ ñ èçðå÷åíèåì èç Áèáëèè — â êíèãå Èèñóñà, ñûíà Ñèðàõîâà (ãë. 21 ñò. 11) åñòü ôðàçà: «Ïóòü ãðåøíèêîâ âûìîùåí êàìíÿìè, íî â êîíöå åãî — ïðîïàñòü àäà».<br /> <br /> <span style="font-weight: bold">Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñ áîãîñëîâñêîé òî÷êè çðåíèÿ ñìûñë äàííîãî èçðå÷åíèÿ ñîñòîèò â òîì, ÷òî äîáðûõ íàìåðåíèé çíà÷èòåëüíî áîëüøå, ÷åì äîáðûõ äåë, ïîýòîìó ëþäè, èìåþùèå äîáðûå íàìåðåíèÿ, íî íå îñóùåñòâëÿþùèå èõ, íå ìîãóò ñ÷èòàòüñÿ ïðàâåäíèêàìè è ïîïàäàþò â àä.</span><br /> òàê òî! <img src="https://st.club-lexus.ru/smiles/af.gif" alt="Amd Cool" border="0" /> http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227453#1227453 herzabey Ñð Äåê 16, 2009 17:25 http://club-lexus.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1227453#1227453